The lost sheep of Harold Camping

Thursday, March 31, 2011

Harold Camping: DO animals go to Heaven? Part 2

In Part one we discussed how Harold Camping made it clear that animals or pets do not go to heaven. This man is never afraid to “Speak for God” The fact that ONLY he can interpret the Bible accurately has many people asking him about the status of Pets who die. The question very plainly on the Open forum was do animals go to heaven when they die. Harold Camping “sitting in the place of God” answers ..”I am sorry but animals are here to serve man and die. They have no soul” “They will not be in Heaven”

This site (as it is states on the top) is not to debate Harold Camping teachings as much as it is to show how people are fooled and lead astray by the teaching's of man. Mr Camping is a civil engineer by trade who said he decided to dedicate his life to studying the Bible. 54 years of training has led him to the date of May 21st 2011. This is the day of Jesus' return(he guarantees) as well as the biggest Earthquake in the history of Creation but that is the subject of another post

Camping's reasoning on “Do animals go to heaven” He says animals have no soul and only souls can be saved and go to heaven. He says God gave souls only to humans and no animals have souls. Now here is the animals have souls? I am going to answer this in a different way The lack of knowledge of the human race The human race for all it's inventions is not knowledgeable. Every autumn in the USA we honor a man called Christopher Columbus( this deals with me)

Columbus, history shows us was a horrible leader,sailor and navigator. At one point his men plotted to kill him because he had them lost at sea and did not know where he was going (great way to get a National holiday)

He thought he was in India when he arrived in the USA. There is something very important about Harold Camping and do animals go to heaven in Christopher Columbus. When Columbus met the Native Americans he thought their honesty was a weakness. He called them stupid(in a letter to Spain) and wrote a letter back to Spain about how stupid they were.

There was one very important piece of information in one of his letters to Spain. He wondered if the Native Americans were actually human. What is Amazing is that these letters still exist today! The human race (and this includes Harold Camping) is not knowledgeable at all. We are an innately arrogant and prideful creation

Lets take another example: One of the questions just less than 300 years ago was “Are Africans human and do they have a SOUL” Yes, the good old USA took this case all the way to the highest court and some of the most so-called “knowledgeable?” men of that time said that the African was NOT human and had no soul. This can easily be read online by searching American history.


This leads us to animals. I will not trust any human telling me who has a soul or not. I simply will not believe them. God would have to tell me plainly “There are no animals in heaven” or The Bible would have to say it PLAINLY (no Harold Camping interpretations..the REAL BIBLE) ONLY the Bible Plainly! Many so-called good Christians died fighting to keep Africans out of churches swearing they were not human.

Many so-called Christians died believing Africans and Native Americans had no souls How do you go to Church and call yourself a Christian yet treat others as garbage...Calling Africans and Native Americans Soul-less was a way to remove the guilt of abuse I will call nothing God has created soul less human or animal. God is NOT obligated to tell us everything. Actually he is not obligated to tell us ANYTHING. Stay way from the Harold Camping “knowledgeable” ones who have all the answers.

There are millions of Christian know it alls who are willing to “teach you” what God says.

I think the Bible says it best about the so-called wisdom of man King James Bible Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men

Wednesday, March 30, 2011

Of Course there are no Pets in Heaven..Because Harold Camping says so

A caller to Harold Camping's Open forum “Brother Camping will there be pets in Heaven?” Camping: There will be no Pets in Heaven... Pets are here only on Earth to comfort us The caller was very sad, she hung up very dejected, you could hear how she felt. God (also known as) Harold Camping” HAD SPOKEN so the issue was concluded.

The lost sheep of this man call and he gets the final word. His followers will never question him because he is the final word on all Biblical issues. Here is what the Bible says about animals

Let EVERYTHING that BREATH praise the Lord. It does not say everyone but EVERYTHING. It actually says let EVERYTHING with Breath praise the Lord. King James edition Psalms 150:6

This my friends includes animals! We now say “ How can animals praise the Lord?” This I will answer on the next post

Harold Camping says No Pets in heaven but what does God say about animals?

When God wanted to convict King David's heart for a murder King David committed, God sent Nathan who told David the story of a man who's ONLY love in the whole world (an animal)was killed for a rich man's meal.

King David was hot with anger over the death of this man's only friend(an animal). King David wanted vengeance on the animal killer. It was the poor man's ONLY FRIEND Why didn’t God use the example of a Wife, daughter, baby or Parent being murdered...why an animal? Because animals matter to God greatly!

NEXT Who Stopped a Prophet from cursing Israel? Lets Curse Israel says Baalam! Here was a prophet ready to curse Israel and nothing could stop him. He was hardheaded like Harold Camping, So What does God do to stop him. Did God Bring a greater Prophet? A voice from Heaven? How about a still small voice like he gave to Elijah? NO! God makes an animal talk and stop the prophet!

Now, when God speaks of the future Peace of Jesus ruling the Nations here is the versus that describe the peace that will be in animals

English Revised Version Isaiah 11:6 And the wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid(goat); and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD

What a beautiful picture of tame animals and a child with them

Some say this is about Jesus ruling on earth for a thousand years and others say it is a picture of Heaven. The point of this illustration is to show how important animals are to God.

Animals are not mindless creations that God does not care about, they will have their anger removed sometime in the future. We have not seen animals before the fail of Adam! We have not seen a Lion or Tiger as God orginally created them

Harold Camping says no Pets in Heaven and the Lost sheep followers of Camping believe him. No one knows if there will be Pets in Heaven... PERIOD!

Harold Camping has never been to heaven and may never go to Heaven. He can't tell ANYONE what is or isn't in heaven! Should you be Calling this man for the “final answer” Never! Let no one tell you what is in Heaven or not in Heaven

Let God be true and EVERY MAN A LIE! says the Bible

The Bible said Paul was taken up to the third heaven (we can guess but we do not know what that means) No man can tell you what the third heaven(paradise?)is Here is how Paul describes his experience King James Bible How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

It is indescribable what Paul experienced!

How can Harold Camping tell you what Heaven will be like. Why accept this man's final answer? Here is what I feel is the final statement on the animal issue

King James Bible But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Clearly We have NO IDEA what God has prepared for those who love him! Pets? we DON"T KNOW Let no one tell you what will or will not be in Heaven! They have never been there and may never be. The Pets may be in Heaven before Harold Camping

Tuesday, March 29, 2011

Harold Camping May 21 End of world Statement: You don't trust the Bible if you don't believe “him”

Subject: May 21st Jesus return ...A caller to the Harold Camping open forum told “Brother Camping” that he was perfect in all his teaching but the caller was not convinced about May 21.

The open forum leader did not like this and told the caller that the problem was with the caller. Harold Camping quote was “ If you don't believe May 21 then you do not trust the bible. I have watched the Open forum for about a month and a half and every caller who questions Camping is told they don’t trust the Bible.

I have never heard a caller response we do trust the Bible, it is YOUR interpretation we do not trust. What Camping does is pull the “education” card. His best defense is his extensive knowledge of the Bible that causes him to “win” every argument

A lesson to those who feel they cannot “battle” Harold Camping (May 21) on Scriptures

As young Christians a group of us were on fire for Jesus and “full of ourselves with pride” we felt “we” were so Godly and we did really love the Lord.

One day a young believer who knew basically NO scriptures heard a discussion we were having on a Spiritual issue.She listened and we talked, all trying to out do the other by throwing scriptures around to “win” the argument

One hour after our educated discussion throwing around scriptures we were getting no where

The new Christian girl made one statement on God's love (quoting no scriptures) and 3people accepted Christ that day just from her little statement on the love of God

She once said to us, "you can win all the scriptural arguments guys but you may miss the Lord"

She was right and I will never forget it

Harold Camping says May 21st MUST be the day of Jesus' return because he has studies the scriptures for 54 years and has “figured out” the date.

To deny this is an insult to his 54 years of study

The lost sheep of Camping followers must understand he can "figure out" all the scriptures and still miss the Lord.

Monday, March 28, 2011

The Lost Sheep of Harold Camping and their loveless message of May21st

Harold Camping's Open forum speech every night is sad misrepresentation of God. The one thing you will notice about his show is the lack of love. The lost sheep follower's of Camping are similar, there is not a thread of love in one of his callers. What those who follow Harold Camping miss is the love of God.

Here is how important Love is to God (from the Bible)

1. God IS LOVE ( we could stop there but lets continue)

2. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

3. Little Children love one another

4. For God so “Loved” the world that he gave his only son

The lost sheep of Harold Camping are drooling over May 21th. That is the day that God sends the biggest earthquake ever... It is JUDGEMENT DAY according to Camping. They are drooling over judgment day

The lost sheep of Camping mention how God gave the day to Jonah that he would destroy the city of Nineveh. The lost sheep of Camping have “figured God out” that he will destroy the whole world on may 21st 2011

What the lost sheep of Camping do not mention is that God's warning to Nineveh was so he WOULD NOT DESTROY the city

Here is Jonah's words when God said the “Destruction day was called off”

Here Jonah was ANGRY because God called of Judgment Day

"O LORD, is this not what I said when I was still at home? That is why I was so quick to flee to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity (Jonah 4:1-2).

Jonah wanted to see Judgment day! Burning Fire Death on the Sinners! God's plan was to save them. Look at the JOY on these Harold Camping followers for Judgment day. Would God be Pleased with this?

Harold Camping and his lost sheep will advertise May 21 with smiles and laughter because their true God (Harold Camping) says the world is over. The Bible tells us about those who are not in the “love” of god.. They are far from Christ

The Bible tells us that God has a day of Judgment planned and that day is GOD”S Day!. The lost sheep of Harold Camping will only believe the day will come when Camping and his calculations “figure out” the day. The Day will happen when God alone KNOWS

Friday, March 25, 2011

What the lost sheep of Harold Camping can learn from Doubting Thomas

Harold Camping Followers have no say, the go merry along with whatever Harold says

They sit with Bibles but it is only a show. The camera person always includes a shot of people studying the scriptures as their leader speaks. This is all good television but is it a bit of a scam. Harold Camping is the final authority on all subjects.

The followers ask their questions at the end of his one hour monolog . It always goes the same way. They ask, he answers, they shut up.

The lost sheep of this man have no thoughts at all.
He is Jesus to them. NO ONE DARE STAND UP TO HIM
He is the all knowing and to question him means you do not believe the bible.

The lost sheep of Camping can learn a good lesson from The Disciple Thomas.
When Jesus came back to life and spoke with the disciples remember Thomas was not there. When the disciples told him Jesus was alive he said “

NO WAY..I will never believe that”

Harold Camping followers are no so but follow only Camping's teaching

If we are honest we all think like Thomas. If someone called you tonight and said they saw a dead loved one of yours what would you really think? Lets be honest, 95% of us would say “Get out of here” Don't play like that”..etc

Thomas was REAL.. he took it further..Unless I put my hand in the wound on Christ’s body I will not believe. Thomas was saying “Even seeing I will not believe” I need to feel the wound! This is incredible. Imagine if our Christianity was this real!

The lost sheep of Harold Camping would have believed anything Harold told them
They follow the voice of Camping only

This is the way a cult works, there is only one voice who interprets the Holy book

Jesus said “ My sheep know my voice and they will not follow another”

The followers of Harold Camping are not Christians they are Camping followers. This 90 year old man will probably be gone soon and I do not mean by Rapture but due to his age

Lets hope the lost sheep find the voice of the Lord Jesus afterward.

The lost sheep of Harold Camping ask “ Is Hell Eternal Brother Camping?”

The lost sheep of Harold Camping believe everything he says. If you take any person's final word as truth you have made that person essentially “God” God reveals the bible to the reader when they diligently seek his word. The Bible says God is no respecter of persons.

This means a 10 year old who has never read a Bible may understand a scripture better than a theologian. Harold Camping's lost sheep believe only “Camping” If he say it.. it is the final answer

Hell Fire Eternal ? Open forum vs Lord Jesus

The lost sheep of Harold belief that there is no hell fire that goes on forever.

He says The Bible says Sodom Gomorrah was said to burn forever and we can go down to the middle east and see it is not burning today.

This proves "eternal" does not mean forever in this hebrew verse

This sounds logical (it is Harold Camping common example about hell) but there is no logicality with God, ...GOD says HEAR JESUS..period!

Here is a perfect example. God told Moses “I will rain Manna(bread) from Heaven

Here is the verse
Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law...

Does Jesus call God a liar In John 6 ?

So here Comes Jesus and says the Bible is NOT TRUE!

Jesus is Boldly saying what “HE” says NOW SUPERCEDES THE BIBLE! ..amazing
Here are Jesus words

“Amen, amen” (“Truly, truly”), Jesus replied, “Moses DID NOT give you the bread from heaven, but my Father gives you the true bread from heaven.” This “bread of God,” as Jesus explained, “comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.

This is why the Religious of his day hated him. Now, if you lived in those days and did not know Jesus was the Christ it sounds like he is boldly disrespecting the Bible and God

Now Harold Camping uses Sodom and Gomorrah as an example

“The Bible says it burns Eternally but we can go to the Middle East and see it is not burning.” Open Forum Television show Quote

Camping's lost sheep say..”Good enough for me..No Hell fire....Thanks Brother Camping” Shall we take another call....blah..blah..blah...

Jesus mentions Hell fire, where the worm never dies over 10 times!. I take it literal because Jesus said it! I do not care about any man's opinion. I trust ONLY Jesus' words

Let no man teach you... read the Bible yourself and God will show you the truth
If any of the lost sheep of Harold Camping are willing they can read a good description of why Hell is eternal and real SEE HERE Hell fire is literal and eternal

*Do not trust any article ...Believe no man but Jesus...have a great day*

Thursday, March 24, 2011

The Lost Sheep of Harold Camping

The lost Sheep of Harold Camping. This post is about what the Bible says about those who seek the help of man for there Spiritual answers. The lost Sheep in this post are those who call the Open Forum and allow this man give them all their answers on how the Bible should be interpreted. Harold Camping is the Wizard of Oz of the Open Forum, only he can tell you what the Bible means

The lost sheep of the Open forum thank him..”Thank you Brother”..”Thank you for all your work” After watching the program for more than a month I discovered that only the wizard gets the last word. The Wizard is always right!

This is where the sheep get lost
Harold Camping is a very well learned man in the Bible. He has wonderful insight into the Bible. He is highly knowledgeable and this is where he fails. This is where Satan failed, he was so full of himself that he fell. A follower of this Wizard never questions him. They ask their questions, he answers and they take that as Biblical truth

Most of his followers do not know the Bible at all and they allow this man's interpretation to be their “Final answer”. I can say as a Christian “NEVER” allow anyone to tell you what a Scripture means. Never accept their answer. There is only one truth in the Bible and that is Jesus Christ is Lord...all other additions are simply another person's opinion

I feel sorry for the callers of the Open Forum. They are good and honesty people who have allowed the Wizard to be their God. This is not too strong a Statement because anyone who accepts this man's interpretation as “God speaking” is making him God. Harold Camping says leave the Church..they leave...he says do not get baptized and they won't. He says The Devil is in the Churches..they say, sure! He has become God to them

This is how cults succeed. They find the lost sheep who have an agenda against churches or they are the lone wolves who want to go their own way. They join other lost souls and next they are giving their virgin daughter to the leader. I am sure the Lost sheep of Harold Camping would definitely give there child to him if he asked. He would show them in the Bible and they would believe it. They would thank him for taking their child. I am not saying Harold camping would do this but this is how people follow man and not God.

Read the Bible and God will open the verses to you. If you must get an opinion ask more than one believer. After asking more than one believer, pray to God for the truth and then in “HIS” time it will be revealed. The callers of the Open Forum “ONLY” accept the Wizard's answers and make him God